Renaissance Drama — Topics · seed 42

The Sophister (Fallacy, or The Troubles of Great Hermenia) · chunk 14 of 32

Zouche, Richard · published 1639 · first performed or written 1614 [c.1614-1620] (Annals)
comedy
unassigned nearest T51 Parents and children: blessing, birthrig · 493 words

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Marked words are the most distinguishing words of the nearest topic T51: esau, iacob, father, son, isaac, god, love, birthright, parents, thing.

My Lord speak what you think. Did you as true Piety (which is a reverent and grateful respect of your Parents) commands you, strive who should have the greatest part in lamenting this his Ecstasy, (which is a Distraction of his brains, or a privation of those gifts of understanding, which of late he happily enjoyed) I should give you equal praise; (which is the deserved testimony of a virtuous action) but seeing you carried by Ambition, (that violent passion, which desireth nothing but honour) into these Civil Divisions: (which are Dissensions, disquieting your friends, and delightful to your enemies) To say no more, I can commend none of you. But because justice (which is a perpetual and constant will to give to every man his due) doth warrant me to define this present controversy, if you will stand to my Judgement, (which is the censure I shall give) Demonstration, the noblest son of Discourse, by the Lady Necessity, (who concludes all things which he undertakes so truly, so immediately, so surely) shall succeed in his father's dignity: (which is his kingdom and place in this realm) what thinks Division? These three that sue for Discourse his dignity, are either true born sons, or base borne: the true borne plead either in right of birth, or of desert; their birth they either commend from Priority, or Nobility; their deserts either they set out from their greatness, or from their goodness. Now because base born sons never inherit, I think Fallacy hath no right at all. Again, because Primogeniture hath been always preferred before great birth, and often good works serving for use and action, are better than seldom great effects, which tend to nothing but to Admiration and Contemplation: I Judge Topicus, Discourse his eldest son, by meaner Parentaged Probability, in that, in all matters, at all times, we shall have use of him to be chosen before Demonstration, second son, though begotten on nobler descended Necessity, of whose virtue we have so seldom experience. If you have spoken, you may give me leave: I therefore think neither Demonstration fit, nor Topicus worthy, and therefore choose Fallacy. Why so? Ask not my reason, I stand for him or none. He is base borne, and base birth, is a vile condition, which to them that are unlawfully begot doth purchase infamy, and bereaves them of all hope of succession. Now I think him as true borne as the best; for Demonstration, I always suspected him to be thy son, because he was so like thee; but now I am persuaded so, seeing thee to stand so mainly for him. Nay good Opposition, either speak more advisedly, or hold your peace. What I have spoken I will stand to it; I will maintain it. We must bear with you, 'tis your nature to be crossing us perpetually. Then Proposition it is you must end this controversy, Pray speak quickly, 'tis your voice must do it.
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PlayThe Sophister (Fallacy, or The Troubles of Great Hermenia)
AuthorZouche, Richard
Publication year (edition)1639
First performance / composition (Annals)1614 [c.1614-1620]
First performance (BritDrama)1620 [1610-1631]
Genre (British Drama)comedy
Play typeUniversity/Inns of Court;Nonprofessional
Edition / TCP / DEEPedition 1102 · TCP A15873 · DEEP 919
Edition roleRepresentative edition — used in the analysis
Positionnodes 537–548 (positions in the processed text, not lines of the printed book) · chunk 14 of 32 in this edition
Length493 words · 647 tokens
Topic (seed 42)unassigned by HDBSCAN · nearest topic T51 — Parents and children: blessing, birthright and inheritance at 0.753
Other seedsseed 43: unassigned · seed 44: unassigned — topic numbers are assigned independently in each run; equal or different numbers say nothing by themselves
Original spelling (EEBO-TCP, unregularized)
My Lord speake what you thinke. Did you as true Piety (which is a reverent and gratefull respect of your Parents) commands you, strive who should have the greatest part in lamenting this his Extasie, (which is a Distraction of his braines, or a privation of those gifts of understanding, which of late hee happily enjoy'd) I should give you equall praise; (which is the deserved testimony of a vertuous action) but seeing you carried by Ambition, (that violent passion, which desireth nothing but honour) into these Civill Divisions: (which are Dissentions, disquieting your friends, and delightfull to your enemies) To say no more, I can commend none of you. But because Iustice (which is a perpetuall and constant will to give to every man his due) doth warrant me to define this present controversie, if you will stand to my Judgement, (which is the censure I shall give) Demonstration, the noblest sonne of Discourse, by the Lady Necessity, (who concludes all things which he undertakes so truely, so immediatly, so surely) shall succeede in his fathers dignity: (which is his kingdome and place in this realme) what thinkes Division? These three that sue for Discourse his dignity, are either true borne sonnes, or base borne: the true borne plead either in right of birth, or of desert; their birth they either commend from Priority, or Nobility; their deserts either they set out from their greatnesse, or from their goodnesse. Now because base borne sonnes never inherit, I think Fallacy hath no right at all. Againe, because Primo-geniture hath beene alwaies preferred before great birth, and often good workes serving for use and action, are better than seldome great effects, which tend to nothing but to Admiration and Contemplation: I Judge Topicus, Discourse his eldest sonne, by meaner Parentaged Probability, in that, in all matters, at all times, wee shall have use of him to bee chosen before Demonstration, second sonne, though begotten on nobler descended Necessity, of whose vertue we have so seldome experience. If you have spoken, you may give me leave: I therefore thinke neither Demonstration fit, nor Topicus worthy, and therefore chuse Fallacy. Why so? Aske not my reason, I stand for him or none. He is base borne, and base birth, is a vile condition, which to them that are unlawfully hegotten doth purchase infamy, and bereaves them of all hope of succession. Now I thinke him as true borne as the best; for Demonstration, I alwaies suspected him to be thy sonne, because he was so like thee; but now I am perswaded so, seeing thee to stand so mainely for him. Nay good Opposition, either speake more advisedly, or hold your peace. What I have spoken I will stand to it; I will maintaine it. We must beare with you, 'tis your nature to bee crossing us perpetually. Then Proposition it is you must end this controversie, ray speake quickly, 'tis your voice must doe it.